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Season 2 Episodes 26 & 27 - Jason Jean Air Force Veteran and Founder of Tattered Beans

Unknown Speaker 2:41
Welcome back. Today I have the pleasure of speaking with Jason gene. He's the founder of tattered beans. Coffee. It seems like it's everybody's drug and I don't do it. I am 52 and I'll run around run circles around those 25 year old so I don't do coffee. You do not want to see me on coffee very bad. So but I made the mistake one time of we were whatever anyway getting triple caf. No, I made a drink maybe half an inch and I was flying high the rest of the day. No, no, Don has plenty of irritating otherwise. But anyway, thank you Welcome. And this is especially exciting to me because we know what's your What's your relationship to the young lady who reached out to me, man.

Unknown Speaker 3:31
So she's like my right hand and my company's Okay. Oh, she's been with me almost five years. So she you know basically runs she's like my right hand. right you know what she reached

Unknown Speaker 3:47
out to me and and that's that's the first I think that somebody actually requested to be on and that was it. There's so many people who've agreed and we haven't gotten to it or you know, that I've reached out to but that was the first I was that was very pleased. I don't know how she found me. I don't know how most people people find me, but I'm just thankful. So anyway, again, thank you. And so

Unknown Speaker 4:05
she does

Unknown Speaker 4:08
that I tell you I cannot wait till I have some it. That's if I just had somebody to walk around and take notes of everything. I think the people that I'm introduced to my world would change it. I oh my gosh, yes. I look forward to my Amanda day. So

Unknown Speaker 4:24
any given time, four to five notebooks going? Yeah. Oh, yeah. On what phone call and take in or you know what tasks she's doing. We know. It could be anything from the tattoo shop American Advil to, you know, the coffee or we're doing we have a couple of docu series that we're doing. I love it. Oh my gosh.

Unknown Speaker 4:49
This is such a veteran thickness overachiever have to have 90 things going on. I love it. I love it. And that's been a consistent theme throughout the interviews that I've done is we can't we have to be an entrepreneur because we can't work for other people. One of the guys said, he says I am the worst boss. I'm like, Oh, yeah, he says he said, at least now I can pitch it my boss and it's all good. I said, Yeah, I'm Oh, I'm the worst. The worst. I am so hard on myself. Oh my gosh, yeah. But yeah, it's, I love it. We just don't know how to do anything else. So. Okay, so tell us your story. Tell us how you got tell us, first of all, how you ended up in the branch that you did. And I'm really curious about that, because it was suggested to you or to your bio. And I'm curious as to why your dad said Air Force. But

Unknown Speaker 5:36
so after I broke my ankle in college, playing football, and just wasn't, you know, I didn't have the same capabilities as I did prior to that. So I left school. I was at middle Lutheran out in Nebraska and went back home and went back to balance it at the local bar.

Unknown Speaker 5:58
Yeah, nobody that they're only going to be all here. There's another aka BLCU unless something changes. But if you guys can see Jason he Yeah, he looks like a bouncer. He looks like a football player. Looks somebody you don't want to piss off. So yeah.

Unknown Speaker 6:16
Amazing smile and a great laugh as you can hear. So, you

Unknown Speaker 6:20
know, my wife always said I have that look in my eye. So yeah.

Unknown Speaker 6:23
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a special kind of crazy. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 6:26
yes, it is. So there was one particular night that there was a there is a bar fight that had to be taken care of. And when I got all said and done, and I went home, and my dad looked at me, he goes, Yeah, you're done. You got it. And he said, You got in the military. I was like, Okay. My dad was in the army. And so went to the Air Force. And, and, Don, I gotta tell you, I loved it. I mean, it was the structure I needed. It was, you know, and I had the through high school sports, and all that, to begin with, but, you know, you know, we grew up, you know, lower middle class. My mom and dad were extremely hard workers, they provided for the family and what they they could, I was the mistake of the family, no mental harm done. Mom, dad, my dad's my dad's been gone for night, going on 20 years. got cancer, but, but my mom still around. And, you know, so they did the best they could for us, you know, she worked in factories in ways for Pennsylvania, and my dad was a welder. And he was on the road a lot. You know, so, I always had their work ethic that was instilled, you know, in us, you know, my, so, you know, my, my thought processes when I got in the military that, you know, I took my leadership that I they built in sports, and took those and build off of those and became door chief and red row of our flight. I just loved it. I mean, it just it was everything that I needed in life.

Unknown Speaker 8:10
And you choose the Air Force. So if your dad was army, how did you choose Air Force?

Unknown Speaker 8:14
Uh, you know it? I don't know, it wasn't a, you know, I can't remember why I chose your force. Because that that was literally the only recruiter that I that I had talked to. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't I didn't talk to any other. When did you join? I joined in 93.

Unknown Speaker 8:34
Okay, so you are you're going and as I was coming out, yeah. So you say you see me and in my case the air the Marine Corps chose me because I wanted a specific MLS and so but it was again, it was perfect. It was perfect for me. I couldn't have been happier anywhere else. So

Unknown Speaker 8:51
why No, I want it and i think you know if I if I remember right, maybe that's the same for me is because they gave I wanted to be Security Police or I wanted to be a policeman. Right. I think that's what they could secure. Tell me that. That's what I could have.

Unknown Speaker 9:04
Yeah, yes. Air Force told me you just got to want Air Force. I said no, no, no. And then army or Navy. I can't remember who it was said Well, let's get you the map station. I'm like, you saw my score. I'm not stupid. You're not gonna go to me and don't cook. No, no. And but the Marine Corps course back then. You know, they don't have a lot of money. So he was dancing a jig. He's like, I will give you whatever you want. But yeah, it was so excited was perfect. So

Unknown Speaker 9:28
that's I think that's basically the same story if I remember right now, because once I once I got to Malmstrom, I was in 340, first missile wing Security Police. So we basically took care of the missiles or if they broke, you know, if they had to fix them, you know, the maintenance and we had to go out secure the sites and and the snap. But I remember when I was getting discharged, because I had a building knee injury when I was there, and it was I had three choices. I could get an honorable discharge, be a cook, or admin. You go through this really intense, uh, you know, gung ho, you know, yeah. arena, and then all of a sudden, you're like, Wait, what?

Unknown Speaker 10:19
Right? Yeah, no, I Yeah, I know. Yeah, that would never work for me. I had the best job ever. Because I could do my, as they say, pOH time behind the desk. But I got out there and I repelled and I hiked and marched and did all the things that they were doing. I mean, I just, you know, and it was the best, you know, I was like, Okay, I can't do the office today. I'm going to go find something to cover. So yeah, it was awesome.

Unknown Speaker 10:41
Yeah, I missed it. I mean, I wanted to be a lifer. That was once I got in there. I remember telling my dad you know, it's like this. This is this is this is me, like, this is everything I want. You know, I love the short hair just you know, given I mean, you know, here so many people like they call it the you know, you've got basic training and you got that side of the military. And then you've got like the real military. It's nice. Oh, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 11:07
yeah, I spent took your station at Parris Island. So yeah, I've heard all that. You know, how this isn't the real fleet. And you know, because we always had press kameez and all that kind of crap. You're like, whatever. But I'll tell you, I've heard it all. But anyway,

Unknown Speaker 11:20
listen, to this day. I still, you know, I still make the big by side of the bed. Oh, no. way. That's funny, though. It is. It is a little funny.

Unknown Speaker 11:32
tickles me about that. Is it? My second? My first husband was a marine reconnaissance and after four years we held hands walking the courtroom no big deal. I think it just what I don't think marriages for me. Anyway, my second ex is he is Air Force or it was Air Force. But he's he's also my business partner. Now. He's the one who's written both Hero Harbor and my other app. And, and I talked I'm a punch him in the face if I ever hear him say this out loud. But he's, he was stationed at Warner Robins. And he's from Augusta. So he was two hours from home. So he went home every weekend and played games while mama cooked and did his laundry. And so he makes the comment that you know, I didn't drink the Kool Aid. And I'm like, given all that I do in the veteran community, I said if you ever say that out loud, oh my god, because it but I he didn't I mean, he was he was practically so that, you know, I mean, he you know, and but so when I think of Air Force, and of course my dad was out long before you know, I was old enough to know anything about it. When I think of Air Force, I don't think of even use I read the thing. It said knee injury. I'm like the Air Force. They like, how does that happen? But you must have fallen down stairs or something. But you know, and I know that's not the case. But it's just funny that you know that the difference between you know, the mentality. Anyway, I just I find that music very, very, very different. In your case, obviously. So

Unknown Speaker 13:02
yeah, mine was mine was playing football. Yeah, I played I played softball for the base team and, and did some pretty cool things there. And then had just one of those things. I mean, that was that ended up being my seventh knee knee surgery. So it wasn't like, I mean, I went into the air force with six. So

Unknown Speaker 13:23
I met somebody wants who had 18, but he was a navy seal. So who knows what he did. So yeah, six, five, what broad is a barn? So yeah, it's Yeah, kinda like a

Unknown Speaker 13:33
little bit of a badass. Well, he thought so anyway.

Unknown Speaker 13:38
Anyway, so there's someone's gonna say, or ask her what it was what I guess

Unknown Speaker 13:45
you were saying before it talked about the structure and stuff, what I found, and this is not obviously 100% across the board, but we, the military doesn't turn us into the people. We are, we are the type of people that would be good in the military, you know, it just had, we may not have known, you know, but we were already the driven the, you know, the hard charging kind of out most of us overachiever type people, and, you know, perfectionist, all that kind of stuff. So,

Unknown Speaker 14:16
I agree 100% I think it's, I'd be certainly Everyone has their, their reason to go in, you know, much like mine. But I had the, again, the structure already built in tonight, right? through sports and stuff. And I mean, you could definitely tell the people had zero structure in basic training, you know, very quickly, and you don't turn those people I

Unknown Speaker 14:43
mean, they can, they can have a, an acceptable career, turn them into those kind of people we have, like, you know, there was a guy that I worked with it, you know, a zero to three, it was the ride for his hair, he was always there. And so at night, when he'd go to the clubs, it'd be all out and whatever. They were always, you know, they Second, you know, second class PFT they're lucky, they were, you know, just that they were that they were just getting by, we had an admin clerk who had two or three hash marks, I don't know. And he wasn't Lance courted. And he three, you know, and he referred to himself as shit bird. I mean, he just knew that this was not his thing, you know, and, and that every industry has that. So

Unknown Speaker 15:21
I got so I mean, you get that? I mean, we've had that. And, you know, they generally did last and one of my companies very long, but I mean, certainly, you know, my, I give the same same to every single person that you know, comes into the companies or, or whatever. It's like, Listen, I give you enough rope to either hang yourself. Yeah. Pull yourself to the top. Yeah, go with it.

Unknown Speaker 15:43
Yeah, there was Oh, speak. Yeah. So there's that there's a navy seal. His name is Jocko, who does a podcast and it was really surprising to me to hear him talking about buds and, and, you know, some of the, you know, the the really weren't, you know, what you think of as co quality they made it through, but they've still we're not the, you know, the cream of the crop tightening. So it really, I mean, it doesn't matter, you know, I mean, there. Yeah. So hopefully your the rest of the team doesn't end up carrying them. But yeah, there's always, you know, those, but you're always there's always some that

Unknown Speaker 16:20
that slipped through.

Unknown Speaker 16:21
Yeah, but Okay, so yeah.

Unknown Speaker 16:25
You got you got injured, you got out.

Unknown Speaker 16:28
I did, I got injured got out.

Unknown Speaker 16:31
From that point, I had met my wife. She's from Great Falls, Montana. So she stayed in Montana, because she was finishing her nursing degree. And I was going back to Pennsylvania to have my knee surgery. And I remember her saying that she was all I, you know, I just figured that once you pack your truck and left that was, you know, 36 hours in between us, like, that's it. Right. You know, so almost 25 years later. That's awesome. You know? I don't know. Because a lot.

Unknown Speaker 17:06
A whole lot of factors there. There is no doubt.

Unknown Speaker 17:09
But so a couple of things with that.

Unknown Speaker 17:13
Ah,

Unknown Speaker 17:16
darn it, darn it, don't turn it.

Unknown Speaker 17:19
Luckily, I can edit this out. Well, okay. So talk about just, Oh, I know what it was. Okay. So the first thing I want to know is, you know, you said that you wanted to be a lifer. And then I got cut short. So did what was your experience when you first got out? I mean, did what was it a pretty simple transition? Or did you struggle for a bit?

Unknown Speaker 17:39
I struggled for a little bit because it was like, shit, what am I going to do now? Like, I know it, you know, because you fall right back into your old traits. So I, you know, I had to go home, I had to, you know, get my be operated on. And then I'm back in the exact same arena.

Unknown Speaker 17:58
different person now to an extent, you know,

Unknown Speaker 18:01
so I did, I went, you know, after my surgery, I went back to balance it and

Unknown Speaker 18:07
all that. And

Unknown Speaker 18:10
so, but, you know, that's where, you know, the the foundation of being married and my wife. You know, we moved from Williamsport, we actually moved back to Montana, and back to Pennsylvania. A couple times, because of her job. She's a nurse. And at that point in time, you know, nursing wasn't huge. So it was really hard to find a job. So you went where you could. So we are in Montana, I fell in love with. I was working with troubled teens, because I certainly was no angel growing up. And so I was working at detention center for juveniles, and then at a group home. And I love that. So once we moved, we came back to Pennsylvania and again, it was you know, what am I going to do? You know, I had some college, you know, so I went back to Penn State, I started, you know, I was working as a personal trainer. And the, you know, that I think that's when the entrepreneur bug bit me because we our first daughter was being born and I was working for this company. And she bet she ended up having a lot of health issues, you know, a couple holes in her heart renal vein thrombosis, and she was life flighted at three days old, blah, blah, blah. And so, you know, next thing, you know, I'm finding myself without a job. And so I needed to reinvent myself pretty quickly. So I always had a construction background. And, you know, I went to my wife and said, Hey, I'm not really digging the college thing. You know, I don't want to, you know, I initially went to be a teacher, because I teachers were huge, you know, back in, in 90, when I went, and then, so teachers were getting filled. So I was like, why don't we go Health and Human Development? I was doing that. And because of the, because there I could work with troubled teens, you know, but then I'm looking at myself and was like, Okay, I'm, you know, getting so much older. You know, and, and, you know, so my brains working. So I've never been clinically diagnosed with was ADHD, but like, my, it's, you know, you know, it's just like, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 20:21
yeah. Today, today, I finally got the VA to acknowledge that I am. Because they've been trying to say I was bipolar for years, and I cannot take their mood drugs, I cannot do it. I am fine. I am happy. I am grounded. You give me that crap. I start. Last time I ended with a gun pointed at my head. I just I didn't know today. But anyway, so yeah. So, you know, today,

Unknown Speaker 20:46
you have that mindset,

Unknown Speaker 20:47
you know, I told him and the thing is, we're different. And so the average person looks at us and go, seriously, you know, and I've got thinking recently, I was like, You know what, just because I'm fast, and you're slow, you need to speed up. I don't need to slow down, you know? Yeah, that was gonna be my other question was, you know, your wife and how she that really because I've discovered this with you know, several of these guys is that, you know, it was real in being the spouse is a lot of times a lot harder. Now. Of course, you were out by then. But But yeah, getting getting through that is because it should we go from having a uniform to not have a uniform to not know what the next thing is. And that's, you know, you were talking about the reinventing yourself. And I think that's, that might be one of the big things we get, it doesn't turn us into the type of personality. But what we do get is the problem solving, overcoming it's like, okay, that didn't work. Let's go try this. But the and the not giving up kind of thing. I think that's, you know, what, a big part of what we get there. So

Unknown Speaker 21:45
for the military, absolutely. I mean, that instills the now. I mean, I think there's different levels. I mean, I'm, you know, I just always had that mentality, even in high school, you know, the coach would tell you to run through a brick wall, you know, you would try your hardest. Oh, yeah. Until I was able to take that with me to the military. And that just, you know, sort of magnified that that scenario in my head.

Unknown Speaker 22:14
Yeah, you have to brute force mentality, but then they teach you a smarter way of doing it. So the work hard, yeah, yeah. smarter, not harder. Whatever it is, I say, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 22:25
Yeah. So, you know, from there,

Unknown Speaker 22:29
it was just then finding my finding my niche, you know, we had we, we went for a loan went for a little SBA loan. You know, the initial story I had to I had set on another podcast. It was funny, because I had a construction background. I had run back hose, and loaded trailers and you know, built things, but I never drove a dump truck or anything. So it was funny, because I went, we wanted to go to get a business loan for dump truck trailer in a backhoe? Well, I, you know, I did do one of the three. So I was playing softball for a guy who owned a logging company, and I went to my coach, and I said, Hey, can you guys teach me how to drive a tractor trailer? And they're like, no. And I was like, What do you mean, you know, and they're like, this a different way? Yeah, they're like, Jake, like, do you have any idea like how much your transmission costs or rear end costs? Like, you know, you don't know how to drive? We can't afford to break those things. But you're right. So it took a lot of research, you know, to find out how to get my CDs without having the knowledge of driving truck. So there is a company that had state vehicles that were automatic, so I was able to get my CDs that way. So I did a little bit more research and found out that Volvo had air assisted rip dump truck, and then shifted just like a car, but it was a you know, a triangle. So the funny the funny part of the story is, I drove my wife and I drove up to Erie to look at this truck and we're so we're living in State College, Pennsylvania, where Penn State's at. And so the salesman showing me all the truck and all that and, and he throws me the keys and he goes, What's let's take it for a ride. I throw it back and I'm all cocky. I'm like that. You drive. I'm the owner. I said, I'll never drive it my employees. Well. The reason I had to say that is because I needed to watch him so I Oh, that's fun. Great at. I suck at reading directions. Yeah, but if I if I watch you, I'll pick up. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Day, you know, I love Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 24:35
I have been a an observer of human nature forever. And oh, and fake it till you make it. Oh, yeah. started out in fast food. fakes my way into admin type thing. Thanks. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're smart. And you and you can adapt. And that's, I love that. I love that story. That's awesome.

Unknown Speaker 24:52
So he, so I watched him intently, man, I was like, watching what his foot does and everything. And, and, you know, got down, got the load and turned back up and picked it up. And, you know, drove it almost four hours home and, you know, didn't have any problems. And I was working the next day making money.

Unknown Speaker 25:09
I love it. That's awesome.

Unknown Speaker 25:11
Yeah, it was pretty cool.

Unknown Speaker 25:13
Okay, so then what?

Unknown Speaker 25:15
Oh, well, then. So then I got I got bit by the bankruptcy bug. And, you know, it was, you know, often so when I talked to young entrepreneurs, everyone always asked like, Well, you know, do you think have your education would have taught you, you know, you know, that that issue that had happened? And I said, No, no, I said, because what ended up happening was, because what Pennsylvania has winners, banks, automatically, they're called the skips. So they'll they'll make your loan, like payments from, say, April until November, when then a lot of people don't work through the winter? Well, I didn't, I didn't know that, you know. So a friend owned a construction company. And he's, you know, winter's coming up. And he said about, you know, do you have scripts? And I said, Well, no, what are those? And he educated me? So he goes, we'll call your banks, you know, they probably, you know, might modify your loan. Right. So I had three banks, two of them did. And the third one is a multi billion billion billion dollar world company. And so it any I didn't get above anyone other than the person on the other line? Yeah, I asked the young lady the question. And first thing out of her mouth is, well, Are you not going to be able to pay your loan? Yeah. I said, I didn't say that. I said, I'm new at this. old are they being a? Are you able to modify them? She goes, Well, it sounds like you're you're telling me that you're not going to be able to pay your loan.

Unknown Speaker 26:57
They don't tell me what I'm telling you ladies,

Unknown Speaker 27:00
though, and I said, I haven't missed the payment yet. I said, so is the answer. No, she goes, No, we don't modify loans. Right? Okay, there you go. Right here to God. Literally, weeks later, I'm getting a repo letter for my for my equipment. And I'm like, the hell's this, I call them and they're like, Well, you know, you said you wouldn't be able to make your payments. So we're concerned, you know, so we want our equipment back, I said, I've never missed a payment. And so I had to hire an attorney, you know, they wouldn't work with her. And so finally, she told me, she says, Listen, you're going to have to declare bankruptcy to protect yourself, and to hold on to your equipment, so we can get this figured out. So, you know, you go to court, and the only person that shows up in court to fight the bankruptcy is an attorney for this billion dollar company. Right. So I think I had like, 25, I had like, a $25,000 loan with them. Something like that. And they showed up for that. And the judge went bonkers on him. He was he was completely on my side, everything was taken care of right that in there. But he just couldn't understand their mentality. Right? He gave me some advice, which we followed. And at that point in time, we, you know, we kept running the company, you know, because at that point in time, you could restructure, and all this and that. And so we did, so I gave you enough time to restructure from, you know, the heavy equipment side, because I still was doing construction, like building homes. And I think that to, you know, more bigger into that. So, you know, it's there for a reason, and I was able to be educated in it, how to use it to protect yourself. Right?

Unknown Speaker 28:54
Yeah, I think that's the most challenging part to me is that it's all the things you're expected to know. And it's like, right now I'm trying to get a registered as veteran owned, I don't even know, there's like, half a dozen different ways anyway. But one of the things it's talking about, you know, once proof of payroll proof of taxes, it's like, we don't make any money. There is no payroll, there is no taxes. You know, it's like there isn't, you know, there's nothing at this stage. But we're Hero Harbor in particular is very, very new. I mean, we've only been in the store since November 4. I think. So you know, it's it. But that's been that's the frustrating part is well, because not only do have to figure out what's legit and what's not, because you got jokers coming at you say, oh, we'll pay this for this, and this and this, and oh my god. Right. Yeah. And, and yeah, and so it's like, You're, you're one person, in course, again, we exacerbate our problems by having 90 businesses, you know, it's like, you know, I've got, you know, two different software's and I've got the podcast, and I've got the, I don't know what I got just too much. But the point is that we make things worst person, but yeah, it's like this constant, that's the hard part is not knowing, not knowing the, you know, the best way. And so the, I think the most valuable resource is just knowledge is just, you know, having the right people telling you the right things, because you'll have so many people giving you advice, but it's not always helpful, and it's and trying to sort out what's legit, and, and figuring out again, when you get so much stuff come and it's okay, you know, what do I do? What do I

Unknown Speaker 30:26
google? I mean, yeah, you know, you know, what to believe on Google and all that. Listen, you know, I, I, I'll disagree with you a little bit on that aspect. Because, you know, I, I've been, I've used attorneys that, unfortunately, have gotten me into financial problems.

Unknown Speaker 30:47
Oh, yeah, I've gone that route, too. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 30:49
Yeah. You know, through bad advice or something like that. So, you know, you think you're getting you know, you're going to someone in their professional arena faking?

Unknown Speaker 30:59
attorney, doctors, everything. It's really frustrating. No, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 31:03
Well, there again, you know, I, I had a doctor who missed my cancer for three years. You know, so again, it's, I think we've gotten in the mentality of like, half ass work. And, you know, so it's not, I'm not saying everybody, but

Unknown Speaker 31:22
it's not. But it's just you've got to weed through them. And you've got limited time you've got Yeah, so referrals are, you know, they're invaluable? I mean, yes. And that's why, and I think it was maybe what's in your bio, that there was said a couple of things to talk about. Yes, the this idea of, in theory as me, whether it be profit, or nonprofit companies, but who, you know, like, with both of my apps, the foundation verification, because I want to know, you're a real person, and you're the person you say you are, and right now, it's easy, because we, you know, we're small, and and i can i have personal relationships with all of these people. I mean, that's been the best part. But, um,

Unknown Speaker 32:04
dang it, I got off track there.

Unknown Speaker 32:07
Oh, but I'm, Oh, damn. And I do that all the time. And

Unknown Speaker 32:13
the red tape?

Unknown Speaker 32:14
Well, no, it was, Oh, no, I know what it was, I know, it was. So I come across these, you know, betting. It's like, you know, and, and the vetting process is give me 500 bucks. You know, and so and the thing is, and what frustrates me is that shows an incredible lack of creativity, I've found on the VA site that they actually certify, or, you know, veteran owned businesses, there's a list of like, 14,000 of them that I was able to download with their emails and their phone numbers and stuff like that. And so that, you know, there, I will reach out to them, eventually, this event that I was telling Amanda about, that we're working on, you know, I will use people in that area to reject it. But the point is, we will do it legitimately and everything thing that we don't we do within the app, you will know, it's real people and some people and we have, you know, you can put, you know, you know, veteran is nothing but we in there all black times, we put gold tags to show that we have verified and there's no money, you know, changing hands in that it's just we, you know, we do the vetting process. Yeah, that kind of stuff. You, you were talking about how and you were talking about how the money and this is in a lot of organizations, the money goes to the people at the top or whatever. And there's Yeah, and the people who need it, don't get it. And there was something else in the bio to the idea that, Oh, well, gosh, we suck at asking for help. It's like, you know, there are so many things that are available to me, but I it's like, I'm a business owner, I there's no way that I can say you know, it's like yeah, but yeah, it's We are so proud. And it's it's, it's frustrating.

Unknown Speaker 33:50
It's funny, you say that because listen, again, I am on the same train you are. There's some great organizations out there. Absolutely. Listen, there's, there's good people and bad people and everything, of course. And unfortunately, you know, I been lucky enough now that I've been able to pick myself up a few times and dust myself off and get back to the top and, and you know, I just chose Tatar beans mission? Because that's what i can i can do. We set the company up to run a specific color way. And that's how I run my company.

Unknown Speaker 34:32
You know, about that talk about tattered means how you decided on coffee and what and I know again, according to that thing that, you know, you you, you give quite a bit of money directly back to the veteran community. So So talk about that.

Unknown Speaker 34:45
So

Unknown Speaker 34:47
we, I always had, we always tried to give back to vets in some way. You know, my partner had, you know, houses, apartments and that down in the Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Yeah. And it's a it's a rough area. And there's a lot of homeless vets. And we had tried to, you know, much like you, you know, with the VA, we had tried to work with the VA to get homeless vets rooms, you know, we we reposition some apartments that, you know, fit this rate, you know, homeless requirement for them. And I mean, after eight months of complete red tape, and nothing happened,

Unknown Speaker 35:25
I'm just like, do you really want to help? You know, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 35:29
And at that point, you know, we couldn't, we had to write it out, you know, because there was no end in sight. And that was at the regional level, I mean, my gosh, I couldn't even imagine, and this is an you know, what I would consider a little city, compared to a New York or Chicago, you know, Atlanta, stuff like that. But so I had a cafe. And actually, that's where Amanda had first met, she was our partner at it. And I said, Listen, I want to do a for me to you program. Whereas people will pay for half a smoothie. And us as the cafe will give a sandwich, or someone can buy the sandwich and will give the smoothie, but either way, they got half a sandwich and a small smoothie. And the people would then put their name and put on a little card, and it took off and the homeless, you know, ate the in the shop and all this and that and we would then, you know, get people would, you know, buy more cards, because they love the whole concept. And so, you know, fast forward, we put a we have built another location doubted like a stir. And when I was diagnosed with cancer in September, we ended up closing the cafes, and I had this Amanda was running this coffee that was associated with the cafe. And we were at very successful, central pa fundraising coffee. So instead of, you know, kids selling candy bars and stuff like that, they'd sell the coffee. And people loved it, it was different, you know, and people drink coffee. So at that point, when we had closed the cafe because of my health, I told him and I said, I you know, we have a successful coffee, you know, here the blends. So I think we need to reinvent it, I said, I want to give something back to veterans. So I sat down and, you know, picture the idea, you know, and said, this is this is how I want it to work. And so she got me all the numbers, I found out, you know, what we were charging previously, what, you know, what I would consider competition, what they're charging, I said this would be an online venture only. So we looked at that, and we came up with the price of $12 a bag, and $4 that goes to the bat that the person shops under, and we run the company on $1

Unknown Speaker 38:04
That's awesome.

Unknown Speaker 38:05
Yeah. And so, you know, like you said, you know, it was, you know, it's nice to hear you say because you actually just, you know, touched on a part that's been the toughest for us. And that's to get by the, the, you know, ego of not taking help, and I you know, I don't like to use even though we are a direct donation, you know, company. Um, you know, other people have looked at this from like, Well, wait a minute, this is can be a secondary income to me, I have my own profile, my own link, I can tell people to buy coffee under my lake. And, you know, I make money off of this right? comparative to look at it like a donation because, like you said, we're very proud people. You know, we're taught to fight we're taught to never give up, we're, you know, so even if we're down to our last penny, like, we're gonna, we're gonna fight you know, we're gonna,

Unknown Speaker 38:55
you know, I think somebody else needs that penny more than I do, then I'm going to I'm going to make sure they have it. Yeah, absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 39:00
And we're going to pull up our bootstraps, because that's what we're taught. And we're going to keep going. So with that said, The hardest thing is, we're not getting vets to put their profiles on the website. And, you know, so that's my pitch now is, you know, get signed up, you know, because I'm going to be brutally honest here, and I'm gonna get my balls broke, I'm sure. But, you know, how many friends do you know that have signed up for some type of multi level marketing scam? Right? You just listen, people. You can't see the video, but she just tilted her head. Listen, if you're on Facebook, how many your same friends? Let's say you have 1000 friends? How many of those thousand friends are selling the same saran wrap that your rap record button?

Unknown Speaker 39:56
Yeah, and then of course, the airways and all those are still out there. And yeah.

Unknown Speaker 40:01
So you have to go and you got it invest in them. So here are these military families looking for their wife who stays home and stuff like that, to have a secondary income that she can do on the computer. You know why she's taking care of the kids or the husband's taking care of the kids or something, right? So now here comes tattered beans, and tattered been says listen, you don't have to buy any product, right? You don't have to do any, you don't have to store it. You don't have to meet a minimum purchase each month. Listen, just go give your link to somebody and sit back and collect free money. Right? Because that's what how I choose to run my, my company, you know, I'm lucky enough to be able to do that. And so that's where now we're changing our motto, from that standpoint to try to teach me like, Listen, this could be a secondary income from you, if you looked at it that way. Instead of a donation. Right, right.

Unknown Speaker 41:01
So how what tattered means how'd you get that name?

Unknown Speaker 41:07
Well, I there was I if you saw any of my tattoos, I looked like there are a few there's I do have a few Mom, I like old tattered things. You know, like we live? loved? Yeah, you know,

Unknown Speaker 41:25
some the best toys a dog toys, the kids toys that they have? Oh my gosh, they don't even recognizable. And my my business partner has a story about his brother who carried this blanket and it was shreds. But it was his thing, you know? And yeah, he just had to keep gathering up all the pieces. And yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 41:44
But because I wanted to help that of all ages. You know, a lot of lives in this is the serious part of it. I know, I sort of joked about my tattoos and my process. But in all reality, Don it it was was, you know, a lot of life's lives have better have been tattered. You know, because of war, like you said, you know, you got PTSD, and, you know, amputees and you know, and and listen, even, you know, even if we're not at war, you know, there's still you know, people that go on deployment that have to spend, you know, time away from your family and Miss birthdays. And so a lot of lives, you know, get tattered. And so the meaning to me, is the fight that they have given, you know, for those situations, and, and that's why we came up with the fourth quarter strong blend, because, you know, I, you know, in football, you know, you always, you know, see it the fourth quarter, you know, they're holding up their fingers, because you're supposed to, you know, this is where you guys reach deep, if everything and everything, and you're a marine. So, you know, how many times are these guys and these young men, women, you know, they've been in war, they've been in situations and, you know, you got to reach deep and you got to give it all you're on the front line, you know, bullets and shifts, Zika by your head, and,

Unknown Speaker 43:10
you know, other people are depending on you.

Unknown Speaker 43:12
Correct, and you gotta you gotta reach deep, like, it's the fourth quarter, you got to give it your all. And so we made our strongest coffee blend, which I will say I'll put up against anybody's strength wise. And that's our fourth quarter strong because, you know, we understand, you know, because I've been through it, I've been through the sports aspect of it. I'm not a wartime that night. That's the first thing I tell these really badass, you know, bands like listen, I I've got so much admiration and respect for you. You know, the

Unknown Speaker 43:46
funny I found that recently now i i did take part in Desert Storm. But um, you know it when I hear it is it is hard. It is hard. These stories that I hear with these guys. Sometimes I and I have found myself kind of feeling like my service wasn't enough just like, just yeah humbled. Right.

Unknown Speaker 44:12
very humbled.

Unknown Speaker 44:14
My, my master guns from when I was in tech school, I think the Air Force calls it but whatever it is demos. He sent me just recently a video and it plays at the Museum at Parris Island, and it interviews a number of Marines over the years and in the doesn't matter that the senator who was walked on the moon what I can't think of his name anyway. But anyway, one of the guys that they interviewed was an officer, and he was fighting alongside his men rocket or something comes in and shoots off both of his arms, and injured his leg he managed is to get back to his vehicle. But he's standing there and how you even think, like this and that circumstance, but he's thinking, Okay, I have no hands. So I can't bandage my leg. I have no hands. I can't fire I can't shoot. What can I do? And he know he's hemorrhaging blood, Oh, my God. But anyway, he says, I, I'm, I'm an officer, I can lead and so he goes, and he leads his people till they get out of this. And, and so somewhere along. Later in the video, somebody asks him, you know, how did you not go into shock? How did and he said, My men needed me, you know, me, I hear this. And that's not you know, that's not just brains. I mean, we Yes, we are a special kind of crazy, but but it's, you know, it's just Yeah, but I have a ranger friend. Especially couple of arrangers who, you know, and it's the same thing, the one guy, he's, he has a Purple Heart and a bronze star, you know. And he's back, you know, he's still, you know, but he's back in Afghanistan doing his thing. You know, it just was like, we don't know any differently. And, and so yeah, I hear these stories. And I'm incredibly humbled. But one thing for me is that I know, had I been given that opportunity. And had I been asked to do that, or allowed to do that I had done it, I'd have been out there. And I'm weren't lucky, you know, because I'm a pretty lousy shot, I had to have a really big gun with lots of bullets, because I'm not very accurate. But, but the point is, if if I had been allowed, I would have done it. So, you know, it's that's the kind of but yes, I it's, it's shocking to me that I could, you know, regret it and yet I would tell anyone else, all of our jobs matter. And, and I've said this, and this is something to as a you can spend 2030 years and be an amazing, airman, soldier, Marine, a sailor, get them all, yeah. And it goes these coasters, I don't even know what coasters do. But you can you can, you can be, you know, a perfectly good and RF, you know, excellent enter your job, but never be a combat type person. And my belief is, and I someday want to write a book about this one, when I start interviewing these guys who have gone back over and over, or their families, you know, people who do didn't have to go and went or anyway, the point is, my belief is that those of us who can do that, who are able to, to, for whatever to function in that chaos, we do it for those who can't, and that's perfectly fine. You know, because, like you said, you didn't want to be an admin person, that wasn't your thing. You know, so everybody has their role. And and they're all equally important. Because, you know, the badass is can't do their jobs without the other people supporting them, you know, they will tell you they can, but the truth is, you know, that that equipment comes with somewhere. Yeah, it's

Unknown Speaker 48:01
funny, you say that, because we were picking up, we went to pick up our single serve pods just recently. And we were leaving, after our meeting and all that, and there was a truck driver there. And he was looking at my jeep, and it's pretty decked out and, and we're talking. And at the end, I shake his hand, and I said, You know what, thank you for everything that you do. And he looks at me, he goes, What do you mean? And I told him the story, I said, Listen, I said, these, these pop, these boxes right here are filled with coffee. And this is I'm telling you my story about cat or beans. I said just so you realize you're helping as much as I am. And he's like, and he's still looking at me like, dude, you're a fool. And I'm like, you are delivering, he had boxes on I said, you literally are delivering the boxes that are going into these. And I said without truck drivers like yourself. I said things like this, put it. And I said it's truck drivers like you that basically run America. And, you know, because doctors couldn't operate because you know, the ship be there to the beds, the equipment, the lights, every

Unknown Speaker 49:14
only lifestyle, that is a really lonely lifestyle.

Unknown Speaker 49:18
And he looked at me, and when we shook hands, and he just said, Thank you. He goes, I've never heard that before. That's a damn shame.

Unknown Speaker 49:28
I know. I know. Oh, and that's the thing. It's like I say, I'm a chronic compulsive compliment, or I can't help it, I will chase you down to give you a compliment. But that's it. It's like and I, I will find some way of Yes, of saying that. It's like, no, it all matters, we all are intertwined. And we all need each other. And the thing is, if we would quit hating, and quit being angry, and just just smile, just hug just care, hey, it would be a different world.

Unknown Speaker 49:57
You know, you know, do you know how many people have tried to be me on other veteran coffee companies? And I'm like, dude, I'm season it ain't happening.

Unknown Speaker 50:07
See, and this is the thing. And this is you know, and I don't people who it's like, Look, if I'm not for you, and this is, personally, professionally, whatever, please just tell me now you can move on. But I am so solid. And because I've written a book, it's called Honestly speaking, not it's a self help book, not it not a big deal. At some point I'm going to write honestly speaking sex, but one of the things I'm going to write is Honestly speaking, business when all of this is up. And because people need to know that you can be stupidly successful, and you don't have to cheat people or treat people badly. To twit you know, you just have to be creative. You have to you have to put the people first. And as I said, that's been the most just, I there, I have no words to describe how amazing it's been these men and women who have stepped out for Instagram and whatever and who have joined the app. And I've got you know, I've got a couple of them. Now, one of them's a retired Navy, and another is a Marine, and they're working on helped me put together this event. At the end of July, we're planning and that's these and I've, I've done I don't even know how many interviews at this point. And it is the most amazing thing. You know, you were talking about, you know, some of these people and the horrific things, if there's an interview, it's split in two parts. His name is Rick Stevens. He talks about in the first half of his interview he talks about into the course of two days losing six of his friends one he said, you know, inside parts on the outside the second one they were there was five of them caught in a in a you know, piece of machinery anyway, they burn on fire, they couldn't anyone, it led to him drinking and then later, all this kind of stuff. And

Unknown Speaker 51:59
the

Unknown Speaker 52:01
now he talked, I have not met and we we didn't have do the video part. It was just so I have not seen him. But the person who introduced us, Rick, keep saying to that person is like when are we going to get to Orlando to see Don, I really want to meet Don and that is just the most and to have these people believe in you because you touch lives. And that's it's like for us there's nothing better. And so the point is that you you know that you will succeed and you know, you a minute.

Unknown Speaker 52:34
I'm trying to swim My phone's gonna die. So I'm Oh, I'm trying to get this

Unknown Speaker 52:41
on my computer.

Unknown Speaker 52:42
Okay, did we cuz we can pause and come back. You won't do that.

Unknown Speaker 52:47
Let me

Unknown Speaker 52:49
get let's hang up and let you you do what you need to do. And then you call me back. Okay, we can wrap up. We can go for three more hours. Or we can roll I love this.

Unknown Speaker 52:59
these are these are what makes the best podcast because they're

Unknown Speaker 53:09
real quick, though. What do you have me under? Do you have the under JCJ?

Unknown Speaker 53:14
on Skype? Yeah. Now it's Jason Gene 1734, I think or something.

Unknown Speaker 53:19
Okay, that's all switch over to Okay.

Unknown Speaker 53:21
Perfect.

Unknown Speaker 53:22
But yeah, I mean, and that's, like I said, and you know, and the cool thing too, is like Tama that Rick interview, I played that recently for a civilian a young, so the in person and he you know, he has no idea. I mean, that that's the idea, these, these stories that is beyond their ability to comprehend. And so they listen to that he was like, we got to the end of the first half, and it just, you know, cuts off and he's like, wait, there's, there's more tell me there's a second half was like, Yes, yes, there's a second half. But when you when you can. The other thing is that Rick and he had had this, he had this idea in this dream of his own nonprofit, but it was just kind of there on the back burner. Well, since I'm, you know, already been working on that I had, you know, sort of the resources up front. And so I helped him, we, you know, we got on a call on a Sunday, and I helped him walk through that. And, you know, it's, I don't do it for the gratification, but it's just what comes natural from it. And and I've said that there, I do not believe that there's anything such any such thing as a, a selfless act, with the exception of throwing yourself on a grenade or a bullet where you're not around to appreciate it, anything we do that makes someone else happy, we get a certain amount of pleasure from that. And, and it just some of us are even more in tune. I just, I'm not capable of screwing people over, I just can't, it's just not in my DNA. You know, I've spent my entire life you know, protecting and, and, and just, you know, whatever. And so it's, and that's why your job, you know, and it may, it may take time, you know, we we may not be this overnight success, but when you've got that the right heart and the right mission and the right people on board, you will succeed because, because people are touched by that, you know, by that mission, and by that emotion and, and such, and so you might have to work a little harder. But I think that there's slowly a trend and a shift that there's because there's becoming more people like us. So I've met a few anyway. But

Unknown Speaker 55:23
it's funny, you say that because here's the here's the thing, because, you know, people have asked me, you know, a lot, I know a lot about the internet, I've gotten I've had many very successful companies that you know, are just strictly internet based. So I can go in and, you know, backlog different people's websites, I know exactly how they're getting to where they're at, I know roughly about the amount of money that they're paying, you know, to be where they're at. My thing is, and maybe it's my age is I'm 47 is that there is nothing, nothing better than to grow your business, old school, grassroots shake people's hands get let people get to know you. So by far, doing, you know, watching your success, and being a part of your success, only magnifies our success. Because of the because, you know what you're doing with your, your business and what we're doing with ours. But again, I think, you know, it's a lot of it is because, you know, I'm 47 and, you know, I've got grown daughters, and you know, I've listened, I've gone through the, you know, I've owned businesses where, you know, my kids had to not necessarily be embarrassed by people were like, you know, you know, so, you know, I, I've been at that that scenario where these younger entrepreneurs, you know, back at least then we didn't have the internet, right? Yeah. So now, you know, these entrepreneurs, they're doing stupid shit on Instagram, they're doing stupid shit on this platform, that platform? Well guess what your daughter's to right now? When she's 12? That video is gonna come back to bite you in? Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 57:24
Yeah, that was something I was thinking about earlier, when we were talking to is when we're talking about challenges is the challenge of skepticism. Because there are there are so many, you know, organizations and and, and that's again, you know, as we're saying, where the human element comes in, you know, I can post you know, just mean type shit all day long. And it's going to get some attention. But when I post stuff that is, you know, I have one picture and I have to this day, no idea why but it got almost 4200 likes, I think is that because it was a picture of me in and two other women in uniform right before we deployed or it was you and before we deployed the Desert Storm? Well, I think it is, is that there's so many Desert Storm era veterans that era because they kept a lot of them commented on the cookie dough kameez and stuff. And I think a lot of them are kind of feeling like forgotten about or unappreciated, you know, everything is now about Oh, yes, and, and whatever annoy. And so I think I think it was just a little bit of nostalgia, it had nothing and you know, it's not any kind of, you know, fabulous picture or anything. But the point is, that when I post stuff that's personal when I, you know, when I say that, you know, I set up that set out my goals, you know, for whatever, there's, that's where it's kind of come in, and people people can understand human and people can understand, but they don't they don't trust the the other side that the, you know, the corporate side. And so you have to work especially hard to come. Because I mean, look, I don't know, I haven't been didn't take a close look at your ID account. But, you know, how many times do we get?

Unknown Speaker 59:11
You know,

Unknown Speaker 59:13
just, you know, follow me, I'll follow you. You know, we we serve veterans, but they're not veteran owned this, that and it's like, you know what, you're going to have to do a lot more than that to convince me because it just I don't I don't I'm not I don't care about collecting numbers. I care about the right people. But But yeah, it's it's that human thing when you start, you know, when you start getting the touching hearts and touching video, and again, it's that whole, you know, they become your evangelist. I mean, you know, Matt is down there in Sarasota where he is, you know, his PTSD, if they call the sandbox group Anyway, you know, he's always talking about us and that he played his interview for them and that kind of thing. And once you have that, you know, then just it makes they help you carry that pack and it makes all the difference in the world. Sure, absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 2:41
Alright, we're back for the second half of Jason jeans story. In full disclosure, we had both a technical and a mental brain fart the other day. So Don didn't record the second half of our interview. So that's that's what we're doing here. So Jason, I think think when we left off the other day, you know, it just is it is and you just have to you have to roll with it. But it absolutely does. And thank goodness, you know, because you hopefully, first thing I did was I hit record, hopefully learned from it. But anyway, so I think the other day, what we what we started off in the second half with more or less was you telling the story of tattered beans, how it came about your original shops, and just that, you know that things if you don't mind re sharing that?

Unknown Speaker 3:34
Well, so um, I had, I had cafes where we had fed the homeless through a from me to you program. And then as that expanded, the cafes expanded, and we opened one in the Lancaster PA Area. And then I was diagnosed with cancer last September. And due to my health, it was just time that we had closed those down. But I had a very successful coffee brand that was associated with our cafes, and Amanda, who's my right hand person was leading that with a fundraising campaign. And it was very successful. So in Central Pennsylvania, we became known, you know, basically for our amazing coffee, but also people use it for fundraising for their, their band or school projects, sports, things like that. So once I close the cafe down, I had sat down with Amanda and said, Listen, you know, we have this brand, but doesn't have a, you know, it's not its associated with the cafe. Now, I think we need to rebrand it. And I said I want to do something for veterans. And so, you know, I love bouncing ideas off people. And so I bounce the idea off for her. And she said she loved it. And I called my computer programmer and said, Well, this is my concept. This is what I want to do. Can we produce granddad? And he said, Yeah, you know, he explained everything to me. So we started putting it together. And my entire goal was that I knew what the pricing was of our old coffee. And then we did our research and looked at the boutique coffee companies that were out there and saw what they were selling their as for online. And I says we can raise ours up $4 a bag, and I said, we'll give that $4 directly to the vets. And we have to go get better. And so we'll put them on our website, and they'll become the products and people shop under the, you know, the veterans. And then we upgraded to include active duty military and first responders. And I said people can shop under as many as they want. And I said and then once a check out, the system will divide the proceeds among whoever that person shop younger. As I said, at the end of each month, we'll tally up everybody's purchase, and we will send the money directly to everyone that had stuff bought under him. And then so that sounded like a great idea. So we went out, we started trying to find that tonight, you know, obviously right to friends. And then a couple of them said, Hey, you know, we'd love the idea, and we want to support you. But there's a problem. And I you know, so obviously I say what's, you know, what's the issue? And they said, well, we're doing pretty good as veterans, you know, so we don't want to sign up because we don't need the money. And I said, Okay, so I said let me brainstorm. So then I went back to them. I said, What if I did this, I said, I'll give you multiple options, I said you can either keep the money yourself and do with it whatever you want. Option two is you can give it to another bat. For option three, you can give it to an organization that you want, or one that we have added that we like. And then all of a sudden you're like, Okay, now we can sign up like this is awesome. So we started getting that signed up. And then I did a couple other podcasts that were more business oriented. And then, you know, it was brought to my attention. They're like, you know, this is like a little business opportunity for these, these people, you know, and I started thinking as well as a direct donation, they said, Yeah, but you know, look at a lot of these, these vets whose you know, wives, or husbands or maybe stay at home, or stay at home, and they're looking at a home business. And then here you are, you know, you're giving them that opportunity, you know, without any overhead, they don't have to buy any product, you're giving them a free lake and say, go sell coffee and make profit. And that's it. And so that's how we started pitching it more now. Because it is true. And so now people are taking their leg and put it on their Facebook, and you know, all their other, you know, social media platforms, and now they're literally selling coffee under there under their profile, because now it is like a little business. So it's been pretty cool to see grow rapidly. And to go from there and see people, you know, utilizing and accomplishing the mission that I set out to do.

Unknown Speaker 8:17
Oh, yeah. Well, and that's again, I can't remember. I mean, since each half of our interview there the day was an hour long, it's hard to remember what was where, but um, you know, I know a couple things that, you know, we talked about at some point, and other was just the challenges. Well, we talked some about the challenge, I think this is was in the second half of for all of us for you know, getting out, you know, Trump making the transition, you know, having

Unknown Speaker 8:45
being

Unknown Speaker 8:48
so I guess there's like three, the immediate, big challenges that come to mind that the transition when you first get out and you know, figuring out what the path is for us. That the not being a to talk about, you know, our jobs a lot of times, and this idea of being unwilling, unable to ask for help. And it was funny, I when you're talking and you mentioned, organizations and stuff, member the other day via text, I was saying that I just had a really hard time with the idea of putting my individual name on there. But then as soon as you started talking with that, I was like, now I can put Hero Harbor up there. That doesn't bother me, I can have people donate to Hero Harbor all day long and doesn't bother me a bit. But you know, allowing someone it's I mean, it's crazy. Even people who owe me money, I have a really hard time as heck, I don't even I have a hard time even asking for somebody to pick something up my girlfriend, she gets so so frustrated with me the other day, because I take I'm babysitting a dog right now. And so I have two dogs and I'm live on the third floor, I take him down separately, right just because it's easier. So she was here yesterday. And I take one down, I said, you know, I'll take you guys down separately. And she's like, I'm here, I can take the other one, you know, but I just don't think about that. And so that's, you know, we are so stubborn and so independent and asking for any kind of help no badly no matter how badly we need it. But if we can add that's the thing is if we can do it on behalf of someone else, it makes it so much easier, you know? So anyway, I really love the concept. Um, okay, so something else we were talking about the other day, and you you have two daughters. And I was talking about I don't I can't remember how it came about that just Tama the independence thing. But you know, I was having you well, and two, were talking about just family in general and how important family becomes and and the support of spouses and you know, and just always have it like in your case now, you know, Amanda BD, you know, other people, that whole support system, we need that so badly. But I want you to talk just for a few minutes about your daughters. And because from the sounds of it, you've done a you and your wife have done a really good job with raising two strong independent girls. And that's not an easy job, especially in today's world. So talk about that a little bit. And then you also talked about your mother and and something she said after your father passed. So if you would share that again.

Unknown Speaker 11:22
Um, well my mom was we grew up, you know, low, definitely lower middle class. You know, my dad was a welder traveled all the time. A lot of times that was doing during when they were building a nuke plants. So a lot of times he was on the road in work in 712. So, I mean, I certainly got my work ethic from him and my mom, that's for sure. She worked in, in factories, different factories in the Williamsport Area. And so, you know, a lot of times, you know, she was a single mother, because my dad was on the road. So kudos to her for putting up Oh, yeah. Listen, especially with someone like me, I was married.

Unknown Speaker 12:04
And I admit it, man, I I say that,

Unknown Speaker 12:08
you know, even in a in a post.

Unknown Speaker 12:11
Even in a post, I had put on Instagram, you know, I said I, you know, there's a lot of things that I didn't like about high school and how they didn't push me in a snap. But, you know, I was a complete shift to you know, I was the I was a football player. And I had a great personality, and I was able to do a lot of things that the average kid couldn't. In certain things, I mean, how I even I even orchestrated to sit in so that we could have wear shorts, you know, the days of in school suspension as a senior, but, you know, guess what they can everyone can wear shorts now because I, you know, I ordered I ordered everyone to go to the auditorium one night. You know, one things we

Unknown Speaker 12:57
talked about the other day, too, though, is that, you know, that's what made us good at military is we we kind of bumped with leaders. Yes, exactly. And long before we knew even what that meant, or anything else. And, and that's Yeah, so that's, you know, again, you may not, you know, and this I have this the Steve Jobs quote to the right of my computer here, and it talks about, you know, the, the round peg square holes that see things differently, not fond two rules, quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them change things push human race forward. You know, we some people see crazy, we see genius, because those who think they can change the world do though the thing is those people who, who, you know, lots of they are they go against the grain they do. And, you know, it's, we have to find our place. And sometimes it takes us a while. But yeah, so you know,

Unknown Speaker 13:51
well, you know, so, listen, I don't I certainly, you know, I don't get any father of the Year awards. I, I just in the past couple years, you know, had to sit down with my kids and, and own my shit and apologize and say, Listen, you know, early on, when you guys were born, you know, there wasn't anything I I love more in the world. And to this day, I don't love anything more in the world, and my daughters and my wife and my new grandson. And, and son in law.

Unknown Speaker 14:24
Right, right. Yeah, we talked about that. But

Unknown Speaker 14:26
I will say, you know, early on, you know, for me, I had set goals, and I wanted to meet them, like my first one of my major goals, I wanted to be a millionaire by the time I hit 30. And I did it halfway through my 30th birthday. And so, you know, and but in order to do that, you know, I was leaving the house at 5am and getting home at 930. So I was kissing the kids on the forehead when I left and kissing him on the forehead when I got home. So it wasn't until I had a near death experience that, um, you know, I pulled my head out of my ass. And, you know, said, okay, no more, you know, I still, you know, financial, I still want to take care of the family, and it's an app, but we don't need, you know, boat to jet skis, you know, for cars, big huge house, like, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't, although from a financial standpoint is very satisfying. But from a family and life standpoint, it wasn't. And so there's a lot of cool things that I've done, you know, that I've accomplished in my life, you know, my kids have street names named after him, because I have my own housing developments. You know, so I get, you know, I've been able to do really cool things, but at the expense of some other things. And so now, especially with my cancer diagnosis, I look at things completely different. And even with pattern beans, I mean, I know that I would still have given back to the bats at some capacity. But I'm more of a leaving a legacy now. I know financially that, you know, people will be taken care of, you know, for whatever. I'm not standing vertical, but I want to do something that is lasting. And so projects that I do now have a lot more meaning to them. And I'm not saying listen, I'm not getting on no freakin soapbox.

Unknown Speaker 16:23
I know I get it.

Unknown Speaker 16:24
But it definitely,

Unknown Speaker 16:27
you know, at least for my instance, and my well being these are things that I enjoy and help me sleep at night and I, you know, get to meet cool people like you because of you know, this is a cool ass mission. I know, it's cool. And

Unknown Speaker 16:43
if I could do everything I do, and never use my name, nobody ever knew what I would be okay with that. When you when you see me some of my most enjoyable actually a philanthropy work totally anonymous, those are the most the greatest thing. However, in our case, you know, our personalities, our stories are large part of this, and they're large part of why we do what we do. And I think that that was something you and I talked about the to the other day in the second half. That was how while we are proud of what we did, or the you know, the role we played as, as an active military. It's way more about people who came before us the people, you know, who are still out there doing it. And I know this is something we talked about this, how how humbling I think this was actually may have been in we may be repeating ourselves here, but just how humbling It is sometimes, you know, when you come across these people and but they have done so much. And but it's

Unknown Speaker 17:54
anyway, it Yes. That that

Unknown Speaker 17:59
I'm tripping over myself, but I guess what I'm trying to say? It's okay.

Unknown Speaker 18:02
Yeah. Well, we can we can edit that.

Unknown Speaker 18:04
Yeah. Well as physically very, very tired. But, but yeah, it's, it's the thing.

Unknown Speaker 18:13
The money no longer has the same meaning that

Unknown Speaker 18:16
well, and this is the thing will hold on? I mean, you can't my story's different than, than yours. Yours is different than somebody else's. I mean, listen, I have had Don't get me wrong. I've had many of people that have looked at what I'm doing. And they're like, why? And here's, you know, their concept is like, Why are you putting so much effort into people that can't understand that you're doing something good for them? And then also look at from a standpoint that what am I getting four bucks? Right, you know, and that now I have to educate them that will put hold on if you sell 100 bags a month. Right, right, you know, a little over three bags a day. That's $400 a month that you made? That's that's technically in some cases, a paycheck. Right? You know, and so why not put the effort out there? You don't have any expenses. So don't don't get me wrong. I've had my naysayers already. Just you know, not not that it's a bad, you know, yeah, anything like that, but just a more of a why,

Unknown Speaker 19:28
right? No, I yeah, no, I get it. I hear the same thing. I've had people say, you know, why do we even need this, you know, this and that. But, but it's when you do come across those ones who get it? Who, who you know, and it doesn't matter how many lives you change. Anytime you change your life. Anytime that you know that you've done it, it just it's huge. And and but what know what I was saying with the money, what I was getting at is for you making money is not isn't the same, we are saying that you had the same

Unknown Speaker 19:56
rights, not the same 47 that was

Unknown Speaker 20:00
it's UU now it's about the giving back. And then you know, so there's, there's meaning that, okay, it's a difference between having a job and, and a passion or a mission or, you know, that sort. So,

Unknown Speaker 20:15
well, hold on. It's this, it's this particular business, don't get me wrong, I own businesses that I fully expect. Very high, you know,

Unknown Speaker 20:27
passion project, those are winners, right? And yes, and that's what I'm getting at, yes. Same thing.

Unknown Speaker 20:33
Businesses that I have that if they don't make seven figures, right, not happy now

Unknown Speaker 20:39
see, that was saying that's the same thing. For me, I have Hero Harbor, which is my passion project. Now they both are, I love them both very much. But Hero Harbor is that's that's my giving back. That's the one that keeps me awake and and i will cry over in a heartbeat. It just it's, that's that's the one that's where my heart is very more when when I'm able to focus on it that way will be the moneymaker that will be you know, but, um, but yeah, and the thing is, when you have that passion project, whatever it is, it changes everything, you know, because those other things you'll get out of bed and go to work for, and you may love them, but it's not the same, you know, when you know, you're working on behalf of other people, it just changes things many ways. So go back to the daughters, and, you know, just talk to me a little bit about raising, you know, how you how you got to, you know, where they are now.

Unknown Speaker 21:31
What they definitely, they were raised in what we would like to thank a lovey household, I definitely, you know, rolled with an iron fist. A lot of times, and this is stuff that I had to, like I said, I had to own my shit with them, you know, there were, you know, many cases where,

Unknown Speaker 21:54
you know, my viewpoint is a father or

Unknown Speaker 21:59
in Africa, a killer situation I might not have been happy with. And, you know, so, you know, I had to, you know, come back around, circle back around later in life and apologize and say, you know, I could have, you know, handled that whole lot different. And

Unknown Speaker 22:14
you see children with an instruction manual, though, you know, and

Unknown Speaker 22:18
I said that somewhere else I said, You know, I don't give a shit what books out there, it's not your life. So there isn't a book out there that I could have read that would have, you know, said, you're gonna have a kid who's, you know, has, you know, two holes or heart renal vein thrombosis being born, you're not going to have a kid who, you know, turns out to be some field hockey freakin superstar and is going to graduate high school early and commit to college as a freshman in high school. And, you know, so there's no book out there for that shit. And so, you know, we wing it, we wing everything. And so our mistakes, too many parents, you know, just don't apologize for the mistakes were just apologize. Yeah, that's, that's the thing they want to, you know, my daughters were at least understandable to say, Hey, you know, what, you tried your best time.

Unknown Speaker 23:10
You're still there. That's the big thing. I mean, you are doing so much you're raising, you know, these daughters, or, you know, and but and, and building massive, you know, some people just walk out on the whole thing. So, I mean, it's

Unknown Speaker 23:23
fucking amen to that man. real shit heads out there. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 23:29
You know, so, listen, that's the, you know, that's the thing is, is. And so we teach. I tell my kids now, I'm always, always in different aspects of their life, when they're asking me about things I say, be better than me. be a better person than me. You know, the things that you didn't like, when you were growing up? I said, So, focus on them, especially like my oldest daughter, since she just had her first child. mean, I'm really big on like, Listen, fun, be better than me. You know, because our kids are conditioned by, you know, 2022 years of being raised by us. So I don't give a shit. Who what anybody says they have our traits?

Unknown Speaker 24:21
Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 24:23
You know, so that's why I'm huge on telling my kids, like, Listen, be better than me. And so I now am at the age where I get to be a little bit more of a curriculum. I'm just like, I break balls. Yeah, so I, you know, I'll break my oldest daughter's balls. And and, you know, she's like,

Unknown Speaker 24:48
you know, she gets it, then it comes the next day. And she's like, you know, hey,

Unknown Speaker 24:54
you know, keep them from making the mistakes that you did. And, you know, they're still going to make some but Okay, so, tell us the, the story behind the name. How did you get the name tattered means

Unknown Speaker 25:05
tattered beans.

Unknown Speaker 25:08
Mostly because when I wanted to help veterans, I mean, in all reality, veterans lives are tattered in some way. You know, whether it was maybe why they went in the military, the things that they saw while in the military, things that they might have had to have done in the military, getting out and trying to then cope with civilian life after the military. And so to me, you know, their lives are taboo. And so, and the things that they have they stand for, and they're so proud of.

Unknown Speaker 25:49
That that's why I call it a tattered means.

Unknown Speaker 25:53
I really, I really, really like that. And it because it's just, you know, it's a it's a it's a viewpoint that we understand so well as heroes, but and, you know, it's, it's something Yeah, it's, it's because it is different, it's just a different, as we've said, I've said this before, it's not better, it's just, it's just different, we were just different. One thing, you know, something that I been wanting to

Unknown Speaker 26:19
you know, this comes up a lot people talking about how,

Unknown Speaker 26:25
you know, they joined the military to get disciplined, or they you know, encourage somebody who joined the military to get discipline or this other thing or or, you know, whatever structure and what all and, and we talked about the idea that we don't really get the it might give you direction, but your if you succeed in the military is because you were that type of person to begin with. But what I realized recently, what what I did get from that I would not have gotten otherwise. And I know I wouldn't have gotten otherwise, because I see it every day. And people that I come in contact with who are not veterans who are not heroes of any sort, is a patriotism, because I appreciate it now more than ever, partly because I've been in other countries and seeing what went on there. But I also see what sacrifice it takes to, you know, again, when they say freedom isn't free, that that there are no truer words spoken. And so I just realized that the military didn't make me the person that I am. However, it gave me something invaluable in that patriotism. And in that appreciation of, of my country, and you know, of course to it also very often gives us an appreciation for our family and loved ones, because we are so often away from them, and all but anyway, so that's just something that came to my

Unknown Speaker 27:45
realization the last couple of days. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 27:49
Before the one last thing I have is, is you know, you I want you to tell us, you know where to find, you know, how to get involved with Saturday's everything else, but do you have anything that in specific that you want to, you know, offer up before? Before we do that?

Unknown Speaker 28:04
Well, I think, you know, incredible people, like yourself have to get signed up on the website. Because you have, you have a newly formed foundation that you're looking to grow. And you know, at the end of the day, powder beans will be able to help you and your foundation grow. So it's important that you know, people like you get signed on, because then when people just like we had the incredible Mike Ergo sign on, and so it doesn't get any much more badass in him, you know, Iron Man, you know, he just, he was a, he's a kick ass. And he's now one of our sponsored athletes. And, you know, since he signed on, you know, people now are like, Well, shit, he signed and I'm going to sign on, you know, and all his, all his proceeds are going to his foundations, you know, which again, that's what tattered means is about. And let me let me be frank, and I think I had said this to you earlier. And I know I've said it on other podcast. Every time we go into a freaking store. Now, it doesn't matter if it's CVS, Kmart, anybody go to the local grocery store, we're checking out, they say, Would you like to donate $1 or something? Right, whatever they want to give. And I 99.99% of the time say now, right? Why? Because I like listen, if you gave me a lollipop, sure, I'll give you a buck. Right? Right. I'm sick and tired of just giving money away. Organizations, will you sit and stand and there isn't any explanation or anything and when how the money's going to? You know, so were with us with tattered beans, we eliminate that crap. First of all, you're buying something, so you're getting something for what you're donating for. That's what people love. And then now the person and that's received the money you get to do with it, whatever you want. Listen, if you want to take money and put it in your foundation, that's fantastic. You know, maybe another event, maybe he needs to pay the electric bill. Another event might be like, hey, I've got you know, my daughter's softball coming up, I need a softball bat. Maybe another one says, hey, that's going to pay for my son's, you know, ice hockey restaurant. You know, so that's what tattered beans is there for. We just have to get people to put the mindset behind beside behind them to think that they're too prideful to, to receive the donation or the benefits that we bring to them. And so like I said, getting people like us signed on the website, you know, just clarifies our mission, right? More, you know?

Unknown Speaker 30:55
Well, and what is it they say? And again, it's I I've said it not saying but I am proud and what what is the same Pride goeth before the fall, we you know, don't let your pride get in the way of helping your family helping, you know, doing good for in whatever manner, whether it be just putting food on the table or paying it forward to you know, to some some other organization or some other veteran or whatever, you know, you can't help someone else if you can't help yourself. Alright, so, um, tell us everywhere we can find you and and and like I said, all your social channels and anything that you want to know as far as that goes, and and also I will get it from Amanda and put it in the show notes because that's important too. So yeah.

Unknown Speaker 31:38
So we've got we're obviously on Facebook, we're on Instagram, we're on Twitter, all on your chatter beings. The important one is for the vets the active duty and the first responders is summit dot tattered beans calm. And that's where you'll submit your information. And then, you know, within 20, four hours, they're generally uploaded onto the main site, and then we send you your personal link, and then the, those individuals can put it on their social media and say, you know, by under this link, and this and that. So that's all the media stuff we're at work on. We've got some, you know, big, big announcements that will be coming up here in April. We've got some in May, we've got some really cool things. You know, we're killing it in the video game, you know, we're really putting out some awesome content. We got a really cool commercial that we're working on middle of April, that one's gonna be pretty funny. Again, we bring light to a lot of stuff, you know, I I don't take myself too serious, right? Don't get me wrong. I mean, what I need,

Unknown Speaker 32:49
everyone else is laughing at us, we might as well do it.

Unknown Speaker 32:53
Right, exactly. You know, so I take a comedian, you know, thing to a lot of stuff. Never degrading or anything like that. More for funny standpoint. But we, you know, we definitely have to laugh at ourselves, you know, life's too short. I mean, I know that personally now. So but that's that's it, I mean, really the the tattered beans. com for people that want to buy and support and help and, and make these new young entrepreneurs. You know, and, you know, real business people is pretty special. And then for people like you because you personally will go and all the other vets or first responders or active duty will go to summit, kind of beans calm, and we'll get signed up there and then get put on on the main site.

Unknown Speaker 33:41
Okay. Alright, so I have one last favor to ask of you, and or Amanda or whoever it does this stuff. But I let her know earlier today that I and I have a very small Facebook following because I just don't care about me. I just don't care about this and putting towards my personal friends and stuff. I just never I don't chase those numbers. But I told her that I had sent a personalized message inviting everyone and I and I told him you know, he says the veteran owned business I said and I said he donates a significant portion of every anyway, I explained it to him anyway invited all of them to like the tattered beans page. So of course, absolutely. Well, that's the thing. We have to support each other. And we are we are not very good at that sometime. So that's what I was going to ask is if one of you would go and do the same for me now, man. Sure. Yeah, I told her that the most the person that I've interviewed that has

Unknown Speaker 34:41
has,

Unknown Speaker 34:45
anyway, who has worked the hardest at promoting his own interview, last check, had 126 listens was which is like almost a total of all mine, you know, the other ones combined. And I said, you know, he appended to the top of his Twitter page, whatever. And she's like, bless her heart. Woman after my heart. She says I'm competitive as fuck, I want to beat that. It's like a, you know, I will do everything I can to help you. So that's the thing, we just need to help each other. It's so easy. we're so busy. And it's so easy to you know, just let things slide. But if but, yeah, and the thing is, those are such passive things are so easy. It takes about that quick to do it. And you know, it does help some anyway, but it you know, gets the word out and lets people know that we support another thing. So, alright, so one, this is the last thing and what were the other podcasts that you were on? Do you remember

Unknown Speaker 35:39
fatherhood first class fatherhood, idiots rambling alcoholics, cars, car spots by David.

Unknown Speaker 35:53
And

Unknown Speaker 35:55
arrow helps entrepreneurs. Okay. And then we got, like, 12 in the pipeline.

Unknown Speaker 36:03
Awesome. I definitely want to I want to learn about all of those. And I think you know, we I managed to get through this one in 38 minutes, 39 minutes, but um, yeah, and who knows, but thank you so much as this is like I said, this has been the best part of what I do is finding people from the netherworld and just and meeting them and then having them become real and you know, friends and it's just the most amazing thing. So thank you. Awesome. Find out there's other people you know, like us out there, so Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 36:33
all right. Go get signed up.

Unknown Speaker 36:35
Yes, I'm the moment we hang up. I promise you.

Unknown Speaker 36:38
It takes 30 seconds. Yeah, maybe maybe closer to a minute. lol

Unknown Speaker 36:43
in my weekend mental state who knows? But thank you. Okay. Thank you. Take care. Bye.